Aphrael (
silverthunder) wrote2005-10-20 09:25 am
Fandom Meme
Grabbed from
lostnyanko
Comment with a pairing from a fandom I know and I will give you my opinion of it.
Fandoms I Know (I might have forgotten something, too)
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Angelic Layer
Apocripha/0
Belgariad/Mallorean
Card Captor Sakura
D.N.Angel
Digimon (any season)
Elenium/Tamuli
FAKE
Fruits Basket (anime only)
Fullmetal Alchemist
Gravitation
Gundam Seed
Gundam Wing
Hikaru no Go
Hunter X Hunter
Harry Potter (I'm asking for it putting this one on the list, aren't I?)
Kyou Kara Maou
Lord of the Rings (again, asking for it)
Pokemon
Slayers
Sorcerous Stabber Orphen
Sukisyo
Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles
Weiss Kreuz
X
Yami no Matsuei
Young Wizards
Those are the ones I'd feel comfortable talking about the characters on, anyway. And, again, I might've forgotten some. Take your pick!
Comment with a pairing from a fandom I know and I will give you my opinion of it.
Fandoms I Know (I might have forgotten something, too)
+Anima
Angelic Layer
Apocripha/0
Belgariad/Mallorean
Card Captor Sakura
D.N.Angel
Digimon (any season)
Elenium/Tamuli
FAKE
Fruits Basket (anime only)
Fullmetal Alchemist
Gravitation
Gundam Seed
Gundam Wing
Hikaru no Go
Hunter X Hunter
Harry Potter (I'm asking for it putting this one on the list, aren't I?)
Kyou Kara Maou
Lord of the Rings (again, asking for it)
Pokemon
Slayers
Sorcerous Stabber Orphen
Sukisyo
Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles
Weiss Kreuz
X
Yami no Matsuei
Young Wizards
Those are the ones I'd feel comfortable talking about the characters on, anyway. And, again, I might've forgotten some. Take your pick!

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First of all, I like this pairing. There are a number of reasons, but most of them center around one fact: this pairing is one of the most imperfect - if not downright dysfunctional - relationships I've seen in fandom. There are too many things wrong with it to list. Yuki is a bastard, Shuichi is clingy, and no matter how you look at their relationship, it's just *bad*. But somehow, it *works*. It's insane, really. If it were anyone else, I'd say they should break up before they kill each other or worse. With these two, they're able to somehow eke out a working relationship from a big ugly chaotic mess.
It's amazing, really. And hypnotic. You can't help but stare at it. Something like the way train wrecks can attract so many gawking onlookers.
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Hm. What to say. Well, actually, there is nothing about this couple that makes it implausible or unrealistic. In fact, there seems to be a reasonable chunk of supporting evidence. Daisuke is sometimes erratic and headstrong, and Takeru is more calm and thoughtful. They'd balance each other quite nicely, really. They interact, they clash, sometimes they get along. I don't find this interaction all that appealing, and in fact was kind of bored with it right from the start. I love Takeru. I love Daisuke. I don't love them together. Not to say that they wouldn't make a good couple, but in my opinion, no.
There are some scenes that could potentially indicate that Takeru has a bit of a thing for Daisuke, but even if this is true, I don't think it's reciprocated. That is just my opinion. Daisuke obviously considers Takeru a friend, but this is much the same way as he considers Miyako or Iori a friend. There is a lack of the fascination and/or connection that made me take notice of Ken/Daisuke. (and, of course, Daisuke's feelings for Hikari are canon)
That said, Takeru having a one-sided crush on Daisuke is possible. Often times, Takeru seems to think that Daisuke's jealousy over his relationship with Hikari is amusing, and will even sometimes bait him. They're 11 or 12 years old, so teasing a crush is a normal sort of thing.
On the other hand, it seems more likely that Takeru doesn't feel threatened by Daisuke in regards to his relationship with Hikari - which seems totally platonic during the course of the anime anyway - and thinks that the fact that the reverse is true is pretty funny. Truthfully, Takeru seems to care more for Hikari - who has been his friend for longer - and Iori - with whom he forms a closer connection - than Daisuke. This is not to say that he doesn't care for Daisuke as a close friend, but I really don't think this will develop into a romantic feeling. It just seems unlikely to me.
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RussellXEd!
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Now, I never know exactly what else I want to say about this couple besides "CRACK!OTP" and "Hot blond/blond sex! YES!" *laugh* I do think that Edward, who seems to dwell in a world of adults which he doesn't quite belong in and doesn't quite *not* belong in, would benefit from regular contact with someone who is close to his own age. Russell also seems to carry a decent enough amount of adult-but-not-quite to be able to relate to Ed on a more or less equal level, which is more than I can say for pretty much any other yaoi pairing involving Ed (except Al x Ed, of course). There is a sense that they can relate to each other well, despite the moments of agitation (which make things more interesting, anyway). I think that, were they to meet again, they could have a good chance of developing something real between them. The relationship would also probably be a good, healthy one which is more than I can say for some others in the fandom.
This is kind of my Ed pairing of choice. I don't really like the other options much, but this one seems right in my head for whatever reason.
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Ehehe... anyway...
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Aren't I nice? :)
Taichi/Yamato
For starters, I do ship this pairing (and have written fanfiction for it), although Digimon season one is strange for me since I ship a number of pairings (when I normally just pick one and dislike the ones that split it up). However, I think this pairing is probably my favorite, even though Koushiro is my favorite 01 character. This is the first pairing I encountered that had the rivalry dynamic to it, and while I don't like it in some cases, I do like it here.
I've always found the tension between Taichi and Yamato interesting, more so because I jumped into Digimon near the episode where the tree convinces Yamato to fight Taichi. I see Taichi as being the atypical "leader", in that he is often able to abstract himself from the immediate situation and look at the big picture (although there are obvious exceptions). 'It's awful that we've lost friends, yes, but the important thing here is saving the rest of the world'. Which makes sense, but it smacks of a lack of consideration for the feelings of those who are with him. On the other hand, Yamato thinks a great deal about individuals and sometimes seems to have trouble looking at things in abstraction. This makes him the more considerate friend, but he would have trouble as a leader. It's easy to see why the two of them don't get along initially, but also apparent is the way they balance each other out. If they can learn to get along - which they do - they create a good, solid pairing. One's weakness is the other's strength, and so on.
One of the things that makes this pairing work is the fact that it's a friendship as well as a rivalry. They have their conflicts - serious ones - but they are able to set those aside and like each other despite the rough spots. That's important, I think.
Akira/Hikaru
It's funny that you asked for these two pairings in particular, because a lot of the same reasons apply. Balancing personalities, interesting dynamics... And especially the one I just mentioned above. These two can fight and still like each other - I think that's important. What makes this pairing a little more unique is the fact that they don't seem to have much choice in the matter of "liking" each other or not; they are drawn together, partly by chance and partly because of fate or some such thing.
I'll say the same thing I say every time I talk about this pairing: I can't see them being able to manage the intense relationship they have PLUS be involved with someone else. And there is no way either of them would set aside that relationship, even for the sake of a significant other. They are simply too focussed on (read: obsessed with) each other. Even if they didn't become involved romantically, it'd be very difficult to find a meaningful romantic connection with someone else. Most other people don't seem to understand the relationship they have with each other.
Aside from that, the constant arguing seems to me like a release for a lot of pent-up sexual tension. ;) One day that's probably going to explode, and casual onlookers can only hope that it happens some place that isn't public.
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Now I need to dig up your Taito fics then. I'm afraid that I've only read a small handful of Taito fics and it depresses me because I like the shipping. ^^
And HnG... man, I hope you write some more of it. :D Although I get the impression that HunterxHunter is a great series and one of my friends has been pestering me to see it. (You might drag me into another fandom of yours. Oh noes!)
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I have one pure Taito fic and a few that have Taito in them. My favorite is 'Ground Level' - it's a collab between Louise and me, and I really like how it turned out.
I don't know if I'll write any more HnG... I'm so not interested in it right now. And yes! You must
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Clamp is a little iffy with characters, so I don't have a heck of a lot to say in that respect. However, I like the feel of this couple. It's very relaxed, and very natural seeming. There's something to be said for a yaoi pairing that becomes canon. Heh.
There's a certain logic to the dynamics here, too - you have the dark and brooding one and the light-hearted and friendly one. But it's Yukito who turns out to have the hidden past that even he doesn't know about. The thing I like best about this pairing would have to be the way Touya knows - and accepts - everything. And so easily, too. There's no hesitation, no pause for thought - the decision is just that simple.
It's pretty. Just like Clamp's art.
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Hunter x Hunter - LeorioxKurapica (My canon pairing, lol. My CRACK pairing is UboxShal. ^__^)
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Harry Potter: Harry x Draco
WK: Ken x Aya-chan
.......I'm going to put a cap on them there. Really, I could ask these questions all day XD
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... You'd be right. But that's not the point here!
Takeru x Miyako
I really can't see this pairing. I mean, yes, I suppose it's possible, but it seems like one of those "what the hell, let's throw them together" types. They are friends, and they do care about each other, but let's face it - Takeru and Miyako are both closer to Hikari and Iori than they are to each other. Of course it could work out - just about any pairing on Digimon could - but it's like picking names out of a hat and tossing two people together.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing - I'm just *saying*.
This aside, their personalities wouldn't be a bad match. Takeru is calm and sensible, and Miyako tends towards erratic. She seems to jump back and forth between rational and irrational quite a bit... Takeru's a little more stable, so he'd probably balance her well. Also, I think he'd have the patience that it would require to deal with the mood swings she tends to display. Miyako strikes me as the sort of person who loves attention, and Takeru would be able to give it to her.
So yes, it could probably work. Why not?
Harry x Draco
I dislike this pairing. Not immensely, and I've been coerced by friends who are fans into reading fanfiction for it - generally OOC - but I don't like it. One, Harry tends towards self-righteous, and a self-righteous person isn't likely to turn around and bang the enemy just because he's feeling horny. While he breaks rules left and right as if he's entitled to, I somehow don't seem him being the kind of person who gets off on a secret affair with the bad guy. I still don't understand the notion of how intense hatred translates to uncontrollable lust and eventually happy-happy love. It just doesn't work for me.
As for Draco, a lot of the same arguments apply to him. You can argue that he's not really evil, he's just a petty bully type and that's it, and you know, it's probably true. But he *doesn't like* Harry. Maybe if they were trapped on a deserted island together with a bunch of other kids and no magic... Well, that's another story. Trying to get someone expelled is not *teasing* them or trying to cover up hidden feelings. It is not equivalent to a boy throwing spitballs at a girl he secretly likes. These two don't like each other. They'd have to somehow start seeing eye-to-eye and slowly become friends before I'd ever think they could possibly be a couple.
And that doesn't seem likely given current events in the series and the fact that only one book is left.
Ken x Aya-chan
This is another pairing that seems to be like "Hey, I haven't paired off THOSE two! Let's do it!" It's even worse than Takeru x Miyako, though, because these two aren't even friends. (unless I've missed something since I haven't bothered to follow Side B or Gluhen) Aya-chan was in a coma! For most of the series, Ken didn't even know she existed. It doesn't make any sense. Again, it's like throwing the names of the WK cast into a hat and picking out two that you're going to toss into a pairing together. Why anyone would be seriously convinced that these two are meant to be is beyond me.
Also, I know next to nothing about Aya-chan's personality, so I have no idea how compatible she'd be with Ken. I suppose if she knows they're Weiss already, he wouldn't have to keep secrets from her, at least... But hell, if that's the only selling point for the couple, why not pair her with Omi? It'd amount to the same thing, really.
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All right... the pairing. I do like this pairing - as I'm sure most people have noticed - and it's pretty canon-supported. (more so in the anime than in the manga, but that's a moot point)
In my opinion, a lot of the "pairings" in Hunter X Hunter are well-balanced. There are sets of complimentary personalities that match off just *so*. Leorio and Kurapika are no exception - at first glance, they seem wildly different, but Gon said it best: they are in many ways very much alike. Not so on the surface, but in the fundamentally important ways. They don't like to hurt people, can't tolerate unfairness, and have a strong sense of justice. The difference is in how they present themselves.
Kurapika's major failing - and great personality trait - is his pride. He will sacrifice almost anything to hold on to that strong sense of honor and dignity. By contrast, Leorio seems willing and able to disregard this sense of self-image in order to do what he wants to get done. Kurapika is logical and intelligent, and can keep his cool in most adverse situations, which is something Leorio often has trouble with. They work well together. Leorio helps Kurapika to keep his perspective; Kurapika prevents Leorio from making stupid mistakes in the heat of the moment.
I think a lot of the friction between these two is, after the initial almost-fight, more or less for show. They disagree on superficial details, but agree on the important things. Really, when it comes down to it, they complement each other well.
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Harry x Draco was a pairing I asked on strictly out of curiosity. I'm in full agreement with you on that one. I've never seen it working either.
The other two pairings are ones I have a lot of liking for, and, yes, they could strike someone as being "wtf" on first glance... I'm not sure whether your verdict is yay or nay on Takeru and Miyako comparing your first sentence on them against your last XD I think along the lines of the latter half of your rambles on them, and looking at the potential for closeness, rather than saying "well, they were both closer to other people in canon so it couldn't ever work." That argument is one of my pet peeves when it comes to pairings ^^; Has anyone lived their entire lives having their best friend the same person that it was at age 11?
I just may wind up writing my own thoughts on Takeru x Miyako now in my LJ XD I guess it'll depend on how lazy I am.
Ken and Aya-chan is another one that I support for its potential rather than its canon interactions. Yes, Aya-chan was in a coma through Kapitel, but she also woke up in the last episode, and where do you think she lived after that? Certainly not in the hospital. Most likely, she started living at Koneko, since we also know that she's running the flower shop. Granted somewhere between the end of Kapitel and the OAVs the boys had moved out of there, but almost all pairings are based on either thinking beyond the end of canon or taking it AU (Daisuke and Ken for example, could never last by sticking to canon, as Ken married Miyako). So, no, we don't ever see them interact, but based on the bits of personality we do get of Aya-chan, she's bright, caring, playful, and has a strong spirit. She's honest with people while still being sensitive to their feelings. All in all, I think it would mean compatibility with a guy that's, at least in Kapitel, warm, a little goofy, emotionally charged, and that highly values honesty. (Really, that's a point against him and Omi, as Omi is not best friends with the truth. He bends and hides it quite a bit. /tangent)
...I probably have more I could say on it all, but my brain just died, so I'm gonna stop there and hope it made sense.
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Yes, the point of knowing about Weiß is one thing good about Aya-chan when it comes to pairings. Why not with Omi? Well, I'm torn on this one. I like Omi and Aya-chan too but ultimately it's next to impossible to get to work for one big reason: Ran.
Omi admires Ran. He looks up to him and has a greater investment in Ran's opinions of things. Even if at a point where they're no longer assassins, the fact that they were once is enough for Ran. We all well know his attitude regarding love. He doesn't think they deserve it because of what they do. Take that attitude combined with brotherly protectiveness, and just how much is he going to approve of his baby sister having a relationship with anyone else in Weiß? Not happening. No, no, no, no, no.
Ken has a serious advantage over Omi here. He doesn't care whether Ran approves XD Ken... I think his attitude is that as long as they are in Weiß, then no, they can't get into a serious relationship. We saw that conclusion when he turned down Yuriko. However, I think Ken's learned a valuable lesson from Kase as well, and that's that you have to let go of your past. If he were ever in a point that he weren't in Weiß any longer (again, thinking AU), I think he'd be a lot more willing and open to putting that part of his past behind him and living in the now.
So, yeah, a lot of it is getting far-fetched in terms of canon. It's a pairing I've grown attached to thanks to RP, which has followed similar AU lines. I can understand, certainly, that someone examining it from within the boundaries of canon would find it next to impossible. It pretty much is. I like it anyway ^^;
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I might end up hating myself for asking this, but are you saying that Hikaru gets just as creepily obsessed with Akira as Akira is with him? (right now, I hate the Internet for taking away the fansubs just when I was starting getting into it)
Oh, and Takato/Jeri.
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Nay. I don't like it. What I was saying at the end is that it could happen - there's nothing there to convince me that no, this couple would be a disaster.
"well, they were both closer to other people in canon so it couldn't ever work."
That's not actually what I intended to say. It was more of a comment on the idea of the pairing than the pairing itself. Based on canon, there are more likely pairings. That doesn't mean it wouldn't ever work, just that it's less supported by canon.
Does that make sense?
based on the bits of personality we do get of Aya-chan, she's bright, caring, playful, and has a strong spirit
Personally, I don't think we see enough of her to even really assume this much. The only thing I remember is that flashback of Ran's where Aya's dragging him to the festival. I don't think that's enough of a clip to make any sorts of estimates about her personality.
But that's just me, I guess... Now that I'm looking back on Weiss, I don't care much for a lot of the characterization at all. ^^;;
I'm sorry. Takeru x Miyako I can see, even if I don't like it. I don't see Ken x Aya-chan, because there is really nothing to see. Show me some interaction between them and then we'll talk - as it is, I feel like I'm speculating on whether or not a random extra who got a couple of speaking scenes should hook up with a main character.
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You may be right about Omi - I was just picking someone at random, really.
My opinion was, when I was still into Weiss and able to think of good arguments for it, that it'd be very difficult for the members to go on and have "normal" lives afterwards. If there is an afterwards, which remains questionable. Based on what I've heard about Ken after the end of the series, this seems even more unlikely to me. During the series, I might've said he was the most likely to put it behind him, but I still doubt it.
Just my opinion. I can't remember all the reasons why, and can't really bring myself to care much any more, to be honest. ^^;;
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On Aya-chan, we see a little more of her personality in the drama CDs, which was what I was drawing from in describing her more. I can totally understand just not seeing it at all; like I mentioned in another comment of mine, it IS pretty much impossible if you stick within the boundaries of canon. My philosophy, however, is that a great number of pairings are pretty much impossible if you stick within the boundaries of canon. It's also my philosophy that given the right circumstances, almost any pair of characters can form a close and/or romantic relationship. My liking for the pairing has stemmed from AU writings involving them. I guess I got a little defensive about it because it sounded to me like your opinion was that anyone that supported this pairing had put no thought into it. That isn't true. I fully recognize its unlikeliness strictly within the realm of canon, especially if one maintains canon beyond Kapitel-- which is something I don't usually do and not just because I've never seen anything past the OAVs and a couple of drama CD translations.
You're right that starting with the OAVs Ken starts getting rather unstable, getting moreso in Glühen. I'm not certain, but he seems to have stabilized by Side B. Just a side note.
Ken and Aya-chan is purely an AU speculation. There isn't anything in canon to support it in terms of their interacting with each other. I think the only real point I was trying to make was that it wasn't something favored on a thoughtless whim.
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The ones I wanted to ask about were
Gundam seed (include Destiny?): AthrunxKira
Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles: FyexKurogane
Pokemon: AshxMisty (what ever did happen to those two)
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My philosophy is generally that anything is possible, but some things are unlikely. If I'm biased for one couple and a less likely one splits them up, I am less likely to be forgiving of the second couple. That's just how it works, and I refuse to apologize for it. ;) Nor should I. It's all a matter of personal preference when you get right down to it.
It's also my philosophy that given the right circumstances, almost any pair of characters can form a close and/or romantic relationship.
Here's where we are in complete agreement. I've never argued against this point, and I never will. Whether or not I think a couple is likely, I will comment on, but not whether it's possible. Anything is possible.
I guess I got a little defensive about it because it sounded to me like your opinion was that anyone that supported this pairing had put no thought into it.
On the contrary - if you're going to write a pairing with such little support in canon, you've probably put a *lot* of thought into it. (assuming you're a good writer, which I know you are) It's much harder to write a couple that had no interaction on the series. You have to invent it from scratch based on your estimation of their personalities and what you *think* the interaction would be like.
I think the only real point I was trying to make was that it wasn't something favored on a thoughtless whim.
Well, I know you and I know you enjoy a variety of pairings, not all of which I like. Generally you can back them up with intelligent points, so I know you're not randomly selecting characters and throwing them together. Sometimes I just can't see it, though.
But disagreements make life interesting, right?
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Athrun x Kira
Hmm... well... I can't say I'm against this pairing, but I also can't say I really like it much, either. To me, these two just don't have romantic chemistry. I will grant that they tend towards slashy, but for some reason it just doesn't... do anything for me. If that makes sense.
I also very much like the canon het pairings, oddly enough. I think Laccus is very good for Kira, who tends to drown in his own angst and probably needs someone stable and calm and generally unlikely to get bogged down in all that tragedy. I don't actually think that Athrun could manage that; if anything, he'd be lost in his own issues. Athrun tends towards broody, and I think that's unlikely to work for Kira. They make great friends, and they have a brilliant chemistry onscreen, but it just doesn't strike me as a romantic thing at all.
Fye x Kurogane
*laugh* This pairing is so cute! I do like them together, although like all Clamp manga, the characterization could be better. The dynamic isn't bad, though - you have the happy-go-lucky one and the cranky one. Always fun. The fact that there's an underlying tragedy behind Fye's constant happy-happy routine makes things a bit more interesting, and Kurogane has a streak of kindness he wishes no one could see. I'm very curious to see what Clamp plans to do with these two.
And yes, I would like to see them together. Very awesome chemistry.
Ash x Misty
I... dislike this couple. There was a point where I hated it. Now I just moderately dislike it. Honestly, they're both brats, and their personalities clash. Ash is a bratty kid, and Misty's a bratty teen. He's stubborn and headstrong, and she's stubborn and cranky. They bicker like siblings. With some pairings this is cute and fun. With them it's just aggravating.
I haven't watched Pokemon in so long... I can't even remember much about these two characters. I remember that I didn't think they suited each other at all, though.
As for what happened to them... Misty went back to her the gym with her sisters, and Ash continued traveling around with Brock and some other new characters. I think she might make a cameo in an episode, but that's about it. She's pretty much gone.
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That sucks that you can't get fansubs. -_- I'd send you mine if I could.
Takato x Jeri
Hmm... Again, what to say about these two...? I'm not a big fan of this pairing, but I don't really dislike it either. There is something endearingly sweet about it, but I think it's generally one-sided.
Takato with a crush is absolutely adorable, but it doesn't seem to me like Jeri returns it. I could see her being flattered, and of course not being mean about it, but I haven't seen any indication of return interest. Of course, since he's not as obvious about his crush as Daisuke was with Hikari, maybe she just doesn't know and has never thought about whether or not she likes him back. They are, after all, only 11 or 12 years old, and it seems like she has enough things on her mind without crushes.
As for whether this couple has a future... Hard to say. It's possible that if he continues to pine over her, she might one day reciprocate, but I think it's more likely that it'll pass like so many other childhood infatuations.
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Gundam Wing: 2x5
Digimon: Jyousuke
D.N.Angel: Daisuke/Satoshi
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That's pretty much how I feel about Takato/Jeri as well. It's really sweet, but I fail to see how so many people can consider the pairing to be canon.
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Fye x Kurogane
the happy-go-lucky one and the cranky one. I agree that they do seem to naturally fit, but isn't happyxcranky often overdone? *shrug* I love Fye anyways.
AshxMisty
lol. I'm actually surprised you didn't like them. Misty was my hero back in my early high school, late middle school days. Then again, I may have been a bit of the bratty teen myself. I was sad when they took her off the show.
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Gundam Wing: 3x4
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2x5
I can totally see this pairing, actually. It makes sense. Granted, Wufei seems to irritate Duo a little on the show, but I think that was more because of being locked in a small room together with no way out. Heh.
Um... what to say? Well, the dynamics are decent. Wufei is rather unstable througout the series; Duo is a little steadier. By the end of the OVA, it seems like they've all found some peace, at least - I can see both of them ending up working as Preventors, and they'd work well in a team together. Wufei strikes me as the type who'd want an orderly partnership, while Duo would prefer to take things as they come, since improvisation is one of his stronger points. On this, I think they might bicker quite a bit, but it wouldn't be anything serious.
I don't actually ship this pairing, but I do like it. I can see them getting along well together, somehow.
Jyousuke
Um... I have less complimentary things to say about this one. I think you should refer to the pieces I've done on Takeru x Miyako and Ken x Aya-chan. Why? Why would someone write this? What sense does it make?
It's possible, of course. And not even terribly off, since my personal belief is that it's difficult to come up with a Digimon pairing that you can't see in some way or another. But unlikely. And why? Because I can't see their personalities mixing well in a relationship.
First of all, Jyou. He seems to me like a neat, nervous young man who likes things orderly. Not quite in the same way as Wufei, who has no problem standing up for himself, but rather in a spazzy, anxious sort of way that I think would cause problems. I love Daisuke, really I do, but he's a catastrophe waiting to happen. He would be the sort who'd make a mess and then go play video games, completely forgetting the mess was there. Jyou would spaz, Daisuke would ignore him, and it'd be a general domestic nightmare.
A general domestic nightmare that gives me the disturbing impression of a mother and her child. Eeek. So, no.
Daisuke x Satoshi
I'm of two minds on this one. On one hand, I think that Daisuke x Riku is an absolutely adorable pairing - they look utterly cute together. But I can't help but enjoy the fanservice. It's just... so *there*. And cute. And enjoyable.
That Satoshi is in love with Daisuke, I don't question. This is practically canon, even though it hasn't been stated explicitly in the series. The question is whether or not Daisuke would ever fall in love with him. And, honestly, unless something happens with Riku, I can't see it. It seems unlikely to me that one day Daisuke would wake up and realize "Wow, truth is, I've never really liked Riku - it's all been about Satoshi!" No, no. What he feels for Riku is definitely real, and it's not just going to vanish.
There is potential for it, sure. Daisuke has such a big, open heart that he could probably love anyone, gender barrier aside. But at this point in time, he loves Riku - and Riku loves him back. Unless tragedy strikes in some way, I doubt Daisuke x Satoshi is going to happen.
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I like this pairing. I suppose that's obvious, but I might as well state it up front. I'm not going to comment on whether or not it's actually canon - it's not ever stated, and honestly, with what little they show us, no one can make that claim.
Anyway. There are some really neat dynamics in this pair - both have their issues, but when you get down to it, they seem to know how to reach each other. There's a certain trust implicit in some of the things they do - Trowa throws himself in front of Zero, for example, *knowing* that this is what's necessary to save Quatre from himself. Later in the series, Quatre does the same thing, although with less dramatic results.
Their interaction is understated, quiet, and they sometimes seem to communicate without words (the musical duet). I don't think that these two understand each other to a great degree - it's more like they accept that it's not possible to 'get' everything about each other. And they have a good harmony anyway.
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Hee! Yep!
I agree with everything you said about the 2x5, I love the dynamic there. They amuse me so very much. *does ship it*
Why? Why would someone write this? What sense does it make?
Well..as the author of one of the only four Jyousuke fics in existance (four! Count 'em! It's like being in a really exclusive club XD)
I wrote it because they're two of my favorite characters. I think they have a lot in common. I also think Jyou is a lot more laid back in the second season than you give him credit for being. First season Jyou was definately spazzy, but he mellowed a lot between seasons. That said, I don't see them as a long term couple. Cute for the short term, but eventually they would fall apart. The other authors who've written the pairing seem to agree with me on this. The other three fics are kinda depressing. Really well written on every count, but sad.
I agree completely on the Daisuke/Satoshi.
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I think you remember the cannon better than I do. I agree that they understand each other to some degree. and Their quiet interaction suits their personalities.
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Agreed, there are most certainly more likely pairs and less likely pairs. I guess it is kind of weird, because I feel that, overall, I'm far more prone to supporting the more likely pairs. And I do like Ken with Omi quite a bit. So, I'm not really sure how to explain liking the idea of Ken and Aya-chan so much. I really think it's all come down to the experimentation that happened with it in RP and how they played off each other. I've got my own bias now ^^; Even though it rules out my "OTP" for the series, I've never had a problem supporting multiple possibilities for the characters I love when it comes to pairings. And, no, I don't expect you nor think it necessary for you to apologize any more than I consider it necessary for myself. We're just different.
Well, I know you and I know you enjoy a variety of pairings, not all of which I like. Generally you can back them up with intelligent points, so I know you're not randomly selecting characters and throwing them together. Sometimes I just can't see it, though.
Ditto to it all. :) To each her own.
Sorry it took so long to reply u_u A migraine destroyed me yesterday.
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(Anonymous) 2005-10-24 09:16 am (UTC)(link)I'm surprised no one's asked you about this already, but -
HxH: GonKiru
And out of curiosity -
KKM: Murata/Yuuri (reversibly)
I read your comments on the taito/yamachi pairing from 01, and now I want to read your fic. (I've been thirsting to read good fic of that series ever since 01, which I watched in raw japanese, ate me up with what I could comprehend of it.) Point me to them, please?
Oh, and I almost forgot -
02: DaiKen
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I'll save that one for last, because I love it most at the moment. :)
Murata x Yuuri
To be honest, I never much saw this pairing. I mean, relatively speaking. On KKM, no pairing is really unlikely, especially if it involves Yuuri. But this one is not one I really care much for, I guess.
I have yet to see enough of Murata to form a decent opinion of his character (I am 20 episodes behind with this series, and haven't watched it in AGES, so I'm totally forgetting everything already) but he does seem to care for Yuuri as a friend. Potentially, this could become more (and there are certainly moments that suggest it), but truthfully, I think Murata would prefer to sit on the sidelines in the Battle for Yuuri's Heart. (which is so going on. We all know it) He's a little too laid back to take on Wolfram. ;)
Ken x Daisuke
I'm going to end up repeating myself here. Seriously, I have similar reasons for a lot of couples, but I think a lot of them stem from this pairing rather than the other way around. This is one of my favorite dynamics in a couple - the best friend main dish, but with a hint of rival, and a heaping side order of interesting interaction.
I'll start with the basics: here you have the level-headed calming influence to match the erratic headstrong behavior. Ken, when he's not an evil psycho who tortures innocent creatures, is fairly logical. He is more than willing to hold Daisuke back from doing stupid things.
Also... Ken has Issues. This is rather blatantly obvious, and despite the fact that he's really come a long way, I think a lot of Ken's issues will be haunting him for most (if not all) of the rest of his life. Here's where I think Daisuke would be a good match for him, since Daisuke is simple-minded in the best way possible, and tends towards light-hearted. Add a good heaping of stubborn, and you've got someone who can break Ken away from his worst enemy: himself.
Well-balanced couple. And while this applies to a lot of couples, this is the one I like. :)
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One of my friends summed this pairing up pretty good: they are *so* married. Kind of silly, but it comes pretty close.
These two started off with something quite rare in a lot of the pairings I like: an honest, completely natural rapport. They took to each other right away. Became friends - good friends - quickly and without fuss. And they *stayed* that way, even when obstacles - not the least of which being Killua's mental block - started to pile up against them. The way these two protect their right to stay together forever is really impressive.
Most of that - at least at first - is obviously because of Gon. This kid is one of the more stubborn characters I've seen in anime, and that's saying a lot. He makes up his mind and that's it. It doesn't matter if everyone's saying it's impossible - he will not back down without a fight. More important, though, is that his decisions aren't arbitrary. It's not like he sits down and thinks about them - he goes with his instincts, which are rarely wrong. Gon is the kind of person who would throw all of himself into a relationship, and be absolutely *certain* that everything would be all right.
On the other hand, Killua is much more cautious. He overthinks things - he weighs the potential of defeat against he potential of victory, and makes decisions based on how much one outweighs the other. In a fifty-fifty situation, he's more likely to back off than to try his luck, unless there's no other choice. His decisions tend to be painstakingly thought out; agonized over, even. While this can be a good thing - in terms of strategy, he's certainly strong, and it helps to know when to back down before you get hurt. But it's also Killua's weakness, because a lot of the time he'll run without even trying. In terms of relationships, you'll never get the good if you don't risk the bad.
Together, these two make an awesome team. Oh, they bicker a lot and act like the kids they are. Both of them are stubborn, and they both lean towards selfish, although in different ways. But they look out for each other. Killua might mentally defeat himself before trying something; Gon never fails to remind him that "if they don't try, they'll never know". Gon on his own would rush headlong into danger without even thinking first; Killua is capable of holding him back and keeping him from getting himself killed.
I absolutely love Killua and Gon's little power structure, too. On a surface level, Killua seems to make the decisions - he determines the success rates, comes up with the plans, and holds Gon back from doing dumb things. He also gets quite possessive of Gon - not in terms of "my friend, no one else's" but in terms of "hurt him and die". To anyone who's watched the show, however, it is obvious that Killua is NOT the one who ultimately makes choices. Gon is, more often than not, in control, and Killua, despite his bullying and bickering and generally being snarky, remains essentially helpless to Gon's demands.
Part of this may be because Gon is the first true friend Killua has ever made - and, it seems, the first person in his life that Killua has truly cared about. I think, though, that most of it is due to Gon's great strength - the quality that drew Killua to him in the first place. He wins people over to his side. Effortlessly. People LIKE him. This is quite possibly one of the most useful skills a person can develop during their lifetime, and he does it without even thinking about it. No wonder Killua is so helplessly in his thrall - more emotionally stable people have failed in the face of such power, and as he is, he really didn't have much of a chance.
In a relationship, it would most likely be Gon taking the initiative, and equally likely would be the fact that he thought about it very little before actually *doing* it. Killua would probably be more aggressive once the relationship is under way, but starting it would almost certainly be up to Gon.
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they are *so* married, and the rest
YAY. Well said. I feel the same way about the two of them, and pretty much love them for the same reasons. They have a cute chemistry, and a fantastic understanding of each other that, I think, has beaten out all my other OTPs's.
While I agree that Gon's the one making the decisions, I think it's because so far, Killua's just been going along for the ride. I'm hoping to see more of what happens when they can't agree on something (however unlikely that is to happen in canon), especially given Zaoldyeck-daddy's cryptic comment on how Killua'd eventually return. If you've been following the Jump chapters of the manga, fun things have been happening lately ;)
They remind me a lot of Ban and Ginji from Getbackers, especially when Gon begins smoking at the ears! :)
I haven't seen most of 02 - only the subbed episodes, the three relevant movies, some episodes in a chinese dub 6 years ago, and episode 50 in the IMO horrible American dub (I copped out for Daisuke's noodle cart!), so I'll have to reserve comment on DaiKen until I finish watching it. What I've seen I think really cute, and it helps that I like Daisuke a lot.
Murata/Yuuri - *is a little sad*
I'd have to agree. They did have their moments circa episodes 30-33, but that was that, and now anime canon at least is taking them in the direction of Best Straight Friends. :( Maybe I should go ship ConYuu, which is almost practically canon, or WolfYuu, even though I can't stand Wolfram despite the overabundance of pretty he has.
ooh, I didn't notice YnM from before, so can I ask (just one more!)
Hisoka/Tsuzuki versus Tatsumi/Tsuzuki (...reversible, I guess)